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    Really impressed, but....what bushings?

    I have to say, the more I drive this little Wildcat Trail, the more impressed I am. I have had MANY side x sides, and this one is different from all the rest. It handles like a sports car, and has a good combination of low CG, adequate ground clearance, good power and decent suspension. Now, I am going to put a set of Bandit springs on the shocks, but first, with 300+ miles on her, I believe the bushings are shot. I will likely go with AJ's bushings, but he has 2 sets. One with sleeves, and one without. My Trail is stock, so, which set do I need? Thank you!
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    When I changed mine the original sleeves were rusted so I'm glad I ordered the complete set, if your sleeves are in good shape you would be fine with just bushings. You could also wire brush or sand the original sleeves clean.
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    I just looked up the bushings - the Trail and the X use the same ones. So what I found and posted in this thread is applicable to Trails and I assume Sports: https://www.wildcatforums.net/forum/...-bushings.html

    The summary is that you can get an equivalent Oilite bushing that is 25% longer than the OEM part for a fair amount less than the OEM bushing. I ordered a handful to use Monday, when my new sleeves arrive. I would expect the improvement to service life to be pretty linear - 25% more bushing should extend the replacement interval ~25%.

    Per the parts drawing, there also appears to be a lot of room to add another sleeve bushing (no shoulder) that would be inserted to the inside of the standard bushing position. You could easily increase the bushing material (and thereby decrease the wear) massively at very little cost. I didn't look for that configuration, but I suspect it would be even cheaper than the Oilite replacement for the shouldered bushing since there will be fewer machining and QC steps.

    I had to wait about two weeks when I ordered my bushings, but with just a little planning, you can use superior replacement parts AND save a few bucks.
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    I used the Garage Products bushings that come with new sleeves. I'm glad I had new sleeves as the ones in both of my 2015 trails with roughly 1k miles were really rusted. Definitely get new sleeves.
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    I watched the you tube video on replacing bushings and looks like something I can do. I ordered the Garage Product ones because of them using an o-ring and lifetime warranty. Who has installed their own and how long did it take? Would you tackle it again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gmc16 View Post
    I watched the you tube video on replacing bushings and looks like something I can do. I ordered the Garage Product ones because of them using an o-ring and lifetime warranty. Who has installed their own and how long did it take? Would you tackle it again.
    Replacing the bushings is pretty easy. Just make sure you have a bearing/ seal driver kit and take your time. Also, take your time and clean up the rust and stuff out of the A-arm before replacing. Don't be in a hurry. The rear is much easier than the front. I would start with the rears and do the fronts last as you'll have a better idea of how things work. It took me about 1 day for the fronts and 1 day to do the rears, but I also added grease fittings to the A-arms,greased the rack and pinion for the steering when I was doing the front, and swapped the springs at the same time. It's not really hard work just a little labor intensive. I definitely would not pay someone to do it. Too expensive for what they're doing. You don't need any special knowledge for this job. Just make sure you torque everything correctly when you're finished.
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    Like Wired says, think I was 3-5 hrs each end, while checking and cleaning surrounding stuff like rusted shock posts on the front.. I used long tapered punches to remove the brass oem's, and appropriate deep socket to install the uhmw units. Had new sleeves, anti seized the bolts/bushing contact areas as pretty rusted when they came out. Torque everything to specs, and recheck after a good run.. Definitely home project, don't pay somebody, except the swearing jar haha!
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    Quote Originally Posted by gmc16 View Post
    I watched the you tube video on replacing bushings and looks like something I can do. I ordered the Garage Product ones because of them using an o-ring and lifetime warranty. Who has installed their own and how long did it take? Would you tackle it again.
    I have nothing against AJ's - but just out of convenience I used garage products. I had a full set replaced under warranty last year, so they definitely stand behind what they say! I've found that the sleeves wear almost as much as the bushings, so I'd definitely do both together. Price wise, its somewhat of a no-brainer, as the OEM parts are stupid-expensive, I don't know why... My brother has a RZR 900 and the bushings are like $2 or $3 each. So an "upgrade" is quite a bit more than the OEM on that, but from Arctic Cat, there's just not a huge difference.
    It's somewhat time consuming, but not difficult at all. I'd definitely do the same again.
    My original OEM's were worn out after about 4 or 500 miles (700kms or so) The Garage Products lasted about 8000km - and I now have another 1000 or so on the new set. They are still very tight/fresh.

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    as they all have said, its not too hard just time consuming. I bought aj's with sleeves. they are working well
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    I had to have 4 ball joints and 2 bearings replaced so I had D&P Performance install Garage Products bushings. Wow what a difference, like a new machine. I had 10,000 miles on the OEM's so it was way past time. Garage Products gives military discount which helps and they have lifetime warranty.
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    Gmc16. 10,000 miles. That is impressive!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wired View Post
    Replacing the bushings is pretty easy. Just make sure you have a bearing/ seal driver kit and take your time. Also, take your time and clean up the rust and stuff out of the A-arm before replacing. Don't be in a hurry. The rear is much easier than the front. I would start with the rears and do the fronts last as you'll have a better idea of how things work. It took me about 1 day for the fronts and 1 day to do the rears, but I also added grease fittings to the A-arms,greased the rack and pinion for the steering when I was doing the front, and swapped the springs at the same time. It's not really hard work just a little labor intensive. I definitely would not pay someone to do it. Too expensive for what they're doing. You don't need any special knowledge for this job. Just make sure you torque everything correctly when you're finished.
    How do you check or know when the A-arm bearings are shot ie. excessive movement in wheels or sloppy steering?

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    Quote Originally Posted by skeletor View Post
    How do you check or know when the A-arm bearings are shot ie. excessive movement in wheels or sloppy steering?
    Movement in the wheels. Check out my replacement thread here with before and after vids: https://www.wildcatforums.net/forum/...my-trails.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wired View Post
    Movement in the wheels. Check out my replacement thread here with before and after vids: https://www.wildcatforums.net/forum/...my-trails.html
    Holy hell you should write repair manuals man. Already did mine but if it was first thought of what to do and why your info would be helpful.
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    other options

    There is now a fourth option. A company called "All Balls Racing" which makes linkage rebuild kits for dirt bikes now carries rebuild kits for our Trails. I have used them with success but I also recommend adding a grease nipple to each pivot point while you have the suspension apart>> easy enough to do drill small hole tap and thread in nipple.

    For Canucks the All Balls option is available domestically at any motorcycle shop.


 
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