[SmoyMoose33]

Good day everyone, I am new to the forum but not new to the WC trails, I picked up mine brand new when they were first released back in early 2014 and I must say it is a very fun and tough mechine, I use it for everything from trail riding to hunting trips to plowing snow in the winter and it has never let me down until now.
I’m hoping someone here can give me some pointers in the right way to go about this.
Just lately the WC started slipping out of reverse but you give it a second it would engage and you could go on, but it got progressively worst within the last two months to the point now that it will not engage or move in reverse, when I put the shifter in reverse it clicks in and it shows R in the gauge but when I hit the gas it just sounds like gears slipping or a chain skipping, a clicking sound.
I’ve changed the drive belt not long ago and the transfluid, the fluid was a little dark but didn’t have much debris on the drain plug at all. I have also done adjustments with shift cable and it didn’t make a difference, which makes me think it’s internal and I am prepared to pull the transaxle out tomorrow and start a tear down to check it out.
Before I do, I’m wondering if anyone has ran into this in the past and could give me a few pointers.
I’ve talked to the local AC tech here and he said he’s got no idea and that they have never had one come back with reverse gone.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.

 

[OHSPORTCAT]

Have you checked the rollers in the secondary

 

[SmoyMoose33]

Yeah, rollers are fine, I took it all apart last weekend for a look thought I may have forgot to put the shims back when I changed the belt, while it was apart i checked everything over just to be sure. But thanks.

 

[Wired]

Have you by chance been hard on it in reverse? I mean like trying to pull someone out who was stuck and you were pulling in reverse? I ask because I have read other accounts on here where the reverse chain is very weak and people who have tried to pull people out have broken this chain.

It doesn't make sense that it would be the chain if you said it would slip and got progressively worse. You might do a search for reverse chain, though it may not be your issue.

 

[SmoyMoose33]

I don’t recall ever towing anyone out in reverse, I always hook up to the rear hitch and use low range when doing so. Also I’ve talked to the local dealer here about the problem and asked about the chain because I know it is a common issue in other sxs’s and they are telling me that the trails done have a reverse chain, there is a chain in there but it isn’t for reverse and maybe one of the shifting forks could be cracked. I don’t know what they are telling me is correct at all because they told me they have never had one come back with any transaxle or shifting issues.

 

[chadarey]

According to parts diagram there is a reverse shaft and an input shaft with a chain connecting them, shows at top of trans

 

[SmoyMoose33]

Yeah, I seen that too on the parts break down, just the guys here on the parts counter in the local dealership are useless. unless you go in with the part numbers of what you need, that’s only way you’ll get what you need.

I will have an update soon tho, the transaxle is out of the machine and sitting on my work bench. I will be splitting it open once I get back at it. I’ll be sure to take some pics because there is very little info out there on this, hope it could help out the next guy at least.

 

[SmoyMoose33]

Update...

Transaxle is out and broke down. Issue found. Badly warn reverse sprocket and dog set. AND the transaxle do in fact have a reverse chain, as someone mentioned earlier in the post, my local dealership are just morons.
Tomorrow I’ll be ordering a new reverse dog, two reverse sprockets and chain(just to be safe). Hope have this rig back up and plowing snow in no time LOL.
I’ll post up some pics after and do a step by step write up too for the next guy that has to tackle this because it’s gonna happen.

 

[SmoyMoose33]

Update with photos...

First pic shows the input shaft on the bottom with small sprocket and the reverse chain connecting to the large sprocket on the reverse shaft,
With the beating pulled.

Second pic shows the large reverse sprocket and the bad wear marks.

Third and forth pics shows the reverse dog set and the teeth of the dog kinda looks like a machined ramp to them put I won’t know for sure until I get the new set, with little signs of wear.

The issue was with the bad wear in the sprocket and “ramped” teeth on the dog set then it left very little to no surface area for them hold, once strain came on at all they would just push apart, and the progression for the slipping I guess was the sprocket wearing worst and worst with each reverse shift.

New parts are ordered so I’ll try to remember to update once it is all back together.

 

[Wired]

Thanks for the update and for starting a thread so others can benefit from your knowledge!

 

[Justheman80]

When the new parts arrive, take pics of them so we can see what they are supposed to look like. Thanks for sharing.

 

[Jesse L]

Hmm I'll be the first to say it doesn't look like wear. But maybe it is. Just seems to perfectly uniform. Almost like they are designed that way.

Your issue actually sounds more like a gear engagement problem. Shift cable stretch that needs adjusting is the first thing I would have tried. Rocking the machine a little back and forth to get the gears to drop in place is another way to help you get into the gear you select.

 

[SmoyMoose33]

Jesse L. I can ensure you it wasn’t any cable issues, I’ve tied adjustments and all looked into all the other simple issues before splitting the transaxle apart,the gear is suppose to have a slight confer on the edge of the dog holes but not that big or uneven.

 

[SmoyMoose33]

Attached are pics of the reverse sprocket from the service manual, which don’t not show the grooves that was warn into my gear. But I’m hoping the new parts will be here early this week and see for sure then

 

[Justheman80]

When the new parts arrive, take pics of them so we can see what they are supposed to look like. Thanks for sharing.

My thoughts too, that's also why I wanted to see the pics.

 

[S63tu]

Hey I've got a 2014 trail having the same issue on my reverse.
At about 1800 rpm I can get it to move a little then slips and sounds like gears grinding.
Did your repair fix the issue .?
Part numbers for gears n dogs you replaced.?
Were you able to get transaxle out without removing engine .?

 

[wildcat neil]

Yeah, I seen that too on the parts break down, just the guys here on the parts counter in the local dealership are useless. unless you go in with the part numbers of what you need, that’s only way you’ll get what you need.

I will have an update soon tho, the transaxle is out of the machine and sitting on my work bench. I will be splitting it open once I get back at it. I’ll be sure to take some pics because there is very little info out there on this, hope it could help out the next guy at least.

Yeah, I seen that too on the parts break down, just the guys here on the parts counter in the local dealership are useless. unless you go in with the part numbers of what you need, that’s only way you’ll get what you need.

I will have an update soon tho, the transaxle is out of the machine and sitting on my work bench. I will be splitting it open once I get back at it. I’ll be sure to take some pics because there is very little info out there on this, hope it could help out the next guy at least.

Can you please give me an idea what is the best way to remove the transaxle from the machine?
Thnx in advance, Neil

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[tannerrchambers]

Can you please give me an idea what is the best way to remove the transaxle from the machine?
Thnx in advance, Neil

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Hey did you get your transaxle out? I'm in the process of removing mine. Did you have to remove the engine to get the transaxle out?

 

[tannerrchambers]

Hey I've got a 2014 trail having the same issue on my reverse.
At about 1800 rpm I can get it to move a little then slips and sounds like gears grinding.
Did your repair fix the issue .?
Part numbers for gears n dogs you replaced.?
Were you able to get transaxle out without removing engine .?

Did you have to remove the engine. I'm at the same point t removing mine?

 

[BobbyA12]

I have a 2015 trail and was curious if anyone had any idea as to where I could get a new reverse chain? I’ve ordered one from partszilla but it is back ordered so I don’t see probably ever getting from them. Any help is appreciated