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I've had it, this guy has to be stopped.
In a simply astounding blog post, ATV Television host Doug Meyer has come out swinging in an attempt to force UTVs off of the Paiute ATV Trail system.
Read it here:
http://atvtelevision.[URL="http://blogspot.com/2012/02/future-of-paiute-trail-system.html%5B/URL%5D"]blogspot.com/2012/02/future-of-paiute-trail-system.html[/URL]


In effect he says UTVs are ruining the trail and they must be banned before the trail system is destroyed.
He goes so far as to say that the damage UTVs are causing in Moab and Imperial Dunes and to the Paiute will result in them being shut down.
He defines UTVs as "incredibly high-speed vehicles that have in turn increased both personal injuries and ecological damage multifold".


His parting shot is a clear indication that he thinks UTV owners are simply a bunch of speed freaks ruining the scenery of the Paiute Trail.


"All this is said not because of my preference for ATVs over UTVs, but rather my preference for scenic trails for exploration over trails used for high-speed entertainment." -Doug Meyer


This isn't just a one time blog post, he has taken this argument to the US Forrest Service that manages the Paiute Trail.
He has been a vocal opponent of the UTV Jamboree held each year on the Paiute (utvjam.com), last year urging the city of Marysvale to ban the event.


I can tell you first hand UTVs are not creating a problem on this trail system, Doug just hates UTVs.


The amazing thing here is that this guy makes a living largely from UTVs. One look at all of his latest video you see its all about UTVs. I see him wheeling around in UTVs he has been given for FREE all the time.
I think its time Polaris, Yamaha, Kawasaki and the rest of the manufacturers stop giving this guy free product to use in his business.


We have enough problems with environmentalists trying to shut us down, we don't need the media that pretends to represent us doing it.
I think its time we let him know we don't appreciate the way he is dogging us.


Please send emails to the media contacts and tell them to stop supporting a guy who doesn't support this sport.
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Just because he likes to tool around slowly as if on a sunday drive soaking in the scenery does not give him the right to try to infringe on others rights to enjoy things the way THEY want to. How would he like it is someone on foot said the noise of his idling ATV ruins the experience of the trail, therefore ATV's should be banned.

It always amazes me how someone thinks their way is the only way and all other ways should be barred. Not their way of course, just others that do not do it like they do.
 

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Real easy to deal with guys like him, someone should just shoot him.



Do not shoot this asshat unless its with a paintball gun, and then only in the nuts. This is your disclaimer you are an adult choose whatever weapon you want:cool:
 

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Have to agree with ya Wabbit.....one could talk to this asshat till the cows come home, but he is sooooo in love with himself he only hears what he wants, there for ....shoot him. I am so pissed with people like him I could just scream!
 

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Oh and Redman.......I'll be sending email to all of the links you listed!
 

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Wow, he should be fired, and shot in the nuts. The last thing we need is some douche bag from a supposed ATV show bagging on the very thing he is supposed to support. Sounds like a tree hugger in disguise. What a dick. If ad dollars drop, he will get fired, so post this on all the forums.

This idiot also doesn't realize that this just fuels the liberal fire and gives them more ammo to shut us down all together, by saying "see, even their own kind realize they are destroying the environment".
 

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In effect he is calling for the Paiute to structure itself in a way that pretty much precludes UTV riders from wanting to ride here.

I think that is very divisive, and the last thing we need in this industry is for our own media representatives to be creating a divided and conquer scenario.

Basically Doug doesn't like UTVs, I'm fine with that. What I don't like is the way he is calling for the Paiute Trail to adopt a strategy that will essentially keep UTV riders from the Paiute. Regardless of how you might feel about ATVs vs UTVs the simple math is that UTVs are a growing segment and they represent a MUCH needed economic impact that Doug is simply willing to abandon to get what he wants.

Frankly I don't think this blog entry has anything to do with saving the trail and everything to do with Doug.

This is my response to his blog:

Doug, this is what you have said. UTVs are to the Paiute Trail as Extreme Rock Buggies and super fast sand rails are to Glammis. Ergo we need to do something to stop the extreme damage being caused to the Paiute by these UTVs. So your answer to that is to limit UTV access by making the trail width exclude them, then they wont come to the Paiute.

You specifically call for this saying the main Paiute loop should be 50". You know that these few 50" sections on the Paiute are the ones that make it unpleasant for UTV riders on the Paiute and you want to make it as unpleasant as possible so that the people you don't like will find somewhere else to ride.

I find your efforts to divide this industry for your own personal agenda sad. This is NOT about saving the trail, its about Doug.

You know full well that UTVs are not destroying the Paiute and that the Paiute is not under the kinds of pressures or environmental threats as Moab and Glammis simply because it is a well managed trail system and you also know that IF the Paiute opens a FEW 50" trails to wider vehicles that this does not pose any more risk to the environment and certainly does not create anywhere near the concerns that Moab and Glammis deal with.

The way you categorically designate UTVs as THE vehicle that will ultimately destroy the Paiute is patently misguided.
 

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The puke sould save that shit for Kalifornia it sells well there.

Too bad Jon Huntsman is not the the governor here anymore (he's an offroad guy) we could have him arrest little dougy on his next trip to Utah.

The guy kind of acts like a pedafile.

I can see the headlines now Kalifornia pedafile hangs self in jail cell.

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Actually he responded to his original post. And unfortunately, his response is much more intelligent and mature then most of the posts in this thread. That being said, he makes some good points. The Paiute trail never envisioned as a trail any ORV's, atv or utv's, to speed around and ride aggressively on. From the official Paiute trail website; "The trail is not intended for those wishing to race across the countryside to see how fast they can get from here to there. That type of use would cause unacceptable resource damage and poses safety hazards to those using the trail for its intended purpose". In addition it was designed with the trails being as narrow as possible to have as little environmental impact as possible while still allowing ORV's to access some very remote and beautiful areas.
 

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Nobody is suggesting the Paiute be turned into a race track.

What I disagree with is Dougs broad brush painting UTVs as THE problem on the Paiute.

If you want to identify a segment of riders that is treating the Paiute like a race track I can guarantee you it is not by and large the UTV riders.
 

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A little Piano wire across the trail on his next ATV ride?

Why does the public need to adapt their riding to his beliefs? Doug's a chump and he and his old ass game were all played out years ago. Just because he does school Zone speed in the Dunes doesn't mean everyone else is that feeble and should ride like he does.

With that said I don't think anyone should tear up the country side. Whether on 2, 3, or 4 wheels.... jeep quad MC or UTV, you need to offer respect to the country side and your fellow trail riders.

However, for that old played out full of himself, chump to single out UTV's is ridiculous. It's not what but how you ride that matter.
 
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