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I wouldn't get to excited ...........

They referrence a Boost guage - So they are using some form of Forced Induction.

Look at the claimed HP -- If Turbo'd .. .. They are leaving quite a bit on the table.
 

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Yah, well the website is very incomplete too, there are no dealers on the list, much of the info is truncated with ..... Maybe not even in business, but I figured if they were anyone, somebody here would have heard of them.
 

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Also, they say it is capable of measuring boost on boosted engine, this is an ECU replacement, but no pricing, no dealers, pretty "too big to true" claims, but eh, who knows.
 

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Ya, he is in Austria and made a bunch of claims about the RZR 900 engine when it was coming out too.
 

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He replies quickly to questions, but yeah, basically he claims he is for OEM only and has no consumer products yet. Thanks for the tidbit TUf. Typical case of "sounds too good to be true..."
 

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Yes, he is a real guy with a real business. It sounds like he is a "consultant" for OEMs. I have exchanged many emails with him over the last year.
 

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By the way, I already posted that we gained access to the files in the factory ECU. We will be reflashing the factory ECU and a "stand alone" ECU will not be necessary with modified engines.
 

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By the way, I already posted that we gained access to the files in the factory ECU. We will be reflashing the factory ECU and a "stand alone" ECU will not be necessary with modified engines.
How about software and a cable to allow us to access the ECU via a laptop and custom tune it? I think you would find many who would want that ability.
 

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How about software and a cable to allow us to access the ECU via a laptop and custom tune it? I think you would find many who would want that ability.
That would be great! Unfortunately I don't see it getting to that level.

Here is what the ECU looks like in our demo vehicle.
 

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I don't personally have the skills to build the software and hardware required to produce something like that for the general public. I have a few highly skilled specialists that I call friends and also business consultants. Together, we figure out how to get into and modify these things. I don't have the financial or other resources that H-D does!
 

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How about software and a cable to allow us to access the ECU via a laptop and custom tune it? I think you would find many who would want that ability.
http://www.powercommander.com/power...rid=11-010&add-mdlyrid2=11-010&fullstr=11-010

The software is available today and is FREE from their Web Site/Downloads. This is a piggyback box that controlls both fuel and ignition.

Good product - I use one on my Classic. Fully laptop programmable.

Just an idea ......... :)
 

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I don't personally have the skills to build the software and hardware required to produce something like that for the general public. I have a few highly skilled specialists that I call friends and also business consultants. Together, we figure out how to get into and modify these things. I don't have the financial or other resources that H-D does!
Thank you for the straightforward answer. I can fully understand and appreciate you can only do what is realistically within your realm. Sparky's piggyback box suggestion is nice too, but I sure wish we could get basically "EFI Live" for our Wildcats like I used on my Duramax.
 

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Sparky, great suggestion. The piggyback units, from multiple companies, are decent options. However, there is often substantial lead time from a new vehicle release until those products are available. In addition, the tuning options are limited at best. By reflashing the factory ECU, we can adjust any of the maps they use to control the engine. There are literally hundreds of maps. It is quite complex actually. One of the challenges for us is to identify what the maps are and what they do. Once figured out, they work as good as or better than factory and there are way more tuning options. Forced induction is just one situation. Also, there are sometimes strange looking numbers in factory maps to overcome things like noise testing, etc. When you are using a piggyback, it just adds or subtracts to whatever the factory ECU is doing. When we locate "strategic errors" in the OEM mapping, we can change them for superior performance gains.

TxC, EFI Live is great! They also have a WAY larger pool of customers to amortize their software development cost. Same reasons that most performance parts are more expensive for our vehicles versus cars/trucks.
 

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I am sure it can be accessed via OBD2 port and very expensive scan tool. I have poked around some about it with some auto mechanic friends, but nothing yet. Depending on what Benchmark comes back with price wise, I probably won't look too much further. I asked a few posts back what they were charging on the Wildcat, if they were doing the same $379 deal they were doing on RZRs or not?? Or maybe less since it took 6 months for Polaris, and Wildcat was same day???
 

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The power commander version that allows the home tuner to change air/fuel ratios is a bit risky in my opinion. I say only because a very close friend with a Prowler ran too lean a setting and grenaded his powerplant. He got the dealer to work some magic and have it replaced under warranty. I would say it might be black magic. Anyway, I have the Superchips control module that is pretty damned sweet on my SS Camaro. What is cool about it is that there are several preset tunes to choose and you can also pay to have them create you a custom tune for whatever mods you have. They simply email you the custom tune file. Brilliant. The result was a car advertised at 425hp at the flywheel to 485 at the rear wheels. An unbelievable seat-of-the-pants improvement for a $325 plug in programmer, borla exhaust & simple intake mods. That is what I'd like to see offered here, but to be truthful it is a bit elaborate for my needs. I think Benchmark will have my business.

PS - that WC ECU looks like a supercomputer from the 70's.
 

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As far as tuning your own Power Commander, or anything for that matter is nuts IMHO. The only way to truly tune an engine accurately is on a dyno with a fuel/air sensor in the exhaust and measure for that all important 13.2%ish mark. If you try to mess with your own without a wide band O2 sensor, you are asking for trouble. In my case here in Tulsa, there aren't many dynos that will house a 64" wide machine, so I would be stuck with pre-built mappings if I went this route. I'm still waiting to hear what Benchmark has for pricing?
 

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RPM, you are trying to compare car products and UTV products. 2 totally different things. Yes, they both have ECUs, but the similarities pretty much end there. You are asking for someone to design a product, do all the R&D, and everything else for something they will sell 500 of tops?? No chance. You have a Camaro that has six figure production each year. Try and buy a Superchips module for a Malibu or even a Lotus for that matter. Something like that will never happen for a niche side by side in my opinion. And 100 HP for $325 is unheard of. You have the biggest improvement with a gas motor that I have ever heard of. Thats awesome. Now diesels get that kind of improvement with a controller on a regular basis..................
 
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