New XTR1000
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I hearYo ya Dusty, I actually think Polaris should include a fire extinguisher as part of their tool kit! You see wat im sayn? Honda has Absolutely raised the bar and I have the Red R Talon on order as we speak Dogg. My Talon is due to arrive in May...can't wait! I am considering the 2020 XX if the Cat can get it fiqured out by then but after all the issues i had with my 2018 XX i am a skeptic fo sure dogg.
You arctic cat/textron/tracker guys are so cute. First the XX was going to take polaris market share now it's the talon. Let's be real the talon is the nail in the coffin for the XX. You guys will be lucky if the XX is still in production after this summer
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Lets see...Talon.
24K OTD (for the decent one)
$800 for 30's (or 32's)
$1200 for a gear swap
$800 for springs (depending on the valving...maybe another $800)
$1200 for a real cage
$200 for lower doors
Thats 28.2 K and you might be able to keep up with my 20k XX over the 2 ft whoops.
Looks like a nice start though.
24K OTD (for the decent one)
$800 for 30's (or 32's)
$1200 for a gear swap
$800 for springs (depending on the valving...maybe another $800)
$1200 for a real cage
$200 for lower doors
Thats 28.2 K and you might be able to keep up with my 20k XX over the 2 ft whoops.
Looks like a nice start though.
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I think the Tracker deal pretty much guarantees the XX will be in production. It might be called an XTR1000, but they will get built.
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I edited your post. Maybe he is, but I don't want to see name calling......
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Great point, now can you give me the cost break down to get an X3 to be safely driven without the fear of getting crushed with the paper thin frame or having to beef up the front end before even taking it out on a ride? Im serious lol. Heck I might as well ask what it will take for the XX to be upgraded before its safe to take out.
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I think the Honda Talon R will keep up with the XX in 2’ whoops. Neither is going threw them comfortably at more than 55 with stock suspension. Sure a driver can have the balls to pin it, but you will be beating the snot out of the car to do it.
The Wildcat XX stock suspension needs help just like the rest of them.
The Talon 1000R has full doors.
Not sure it will need a gear swap to run 32” tires. Watch the Alba video and it seems to pull them. It will for sure pull 30” tires.
I think the pricing will come down on the Honda once the initial rush is over. Kinda like the Wildcat XX pricing tapered off.
The non-turbo market is super competitive with all the choices.
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Totally disagree.
Watch driver movements at the same speed over whoops in each car.
Talon will beat the driver up...yeah it may track through it...but at what comfort level.
XX needs some adjustments... Springs would definitely help no doubt for bump stage. (I will be getting them when mine sag more). Thats only $600 total and you have a great suspension IMO.
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The Talon may pull 30's or 32's...but how is it going to react? I am sure Honda has put a lot of effort into making the gearing, motor, tune all work together...and the trac control.
Easy to say it will "pull" them...in every situation?
It definitely needs at least 29's.
Easy to say it will "pull" them...in every situation?
It definitely needs at least 29's.
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I am not knocking the Talon though. Very nice start. Hell I may end up with one some day when it's time to slow down...LOL.
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Both use the QS3 Fox shock? The Wildcat XX needs more than springs to make it better, it needs valving too if you want to drive it aggressively. The blown out skid plates on the XX that was on the baja ride I did last summer is a perfect example.
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Yeah I am not sure why they would go to a 28" on a 15" wheel. 30" tires stock would of been nice.
30" tires I do not feel will be an issue for the stock gearing. 32" tires in all situations might need some gearing. Have to wait till the public starts bashing them around to really know. I am watching as I want to see how the DCT holds up once the public gets a hold of it.
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That will be a SPENDY repair if you blow one of those...actually- it will be a replace since I doubt anyone will be rebuilding those for some time.
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I don't disagree on the springs at all- they do NEED them if you are an aggressive dez rider.
I will be ordering mine soon. Just want to get a little more life out of them before they hit the scrap heap.
I will be ordering mine soon. Just want to get a little more life out of them before they hit the scrap heap.
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I'm sure your review will be completely unbiased...
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