blownhotrodder
New XTR1000
Can you say warranty. I prefer to do as much repair on my tools(don't have toys) as I can. I had a few too many major problems under warranty, but because they were covered it was only inconvenient. I would guess being able to buy a new machine for 4 grand less may cut into a dealers profit. Loosing quality dealers, who seem to be scarce enough will be the result of this price drop.
Hmmmm so $18k and could probably get that for $19k OTD.....Push turbo for $6500 and now I would have an X3 and RZRS killers for about $25k. Very tempting but nahhhh will wait till Sept.
That price was tempting for us, too. Or it was until I added up all of the X add-ons that we have and would want/need to replace.
I hearYo ya Dusty, I actually think Polaris should include a fire extinguisher as part of their tool kit! You see wat im sayn? Honda has Absolutely raised the bar and I have the Red R Talon on order as we speak Dogg. My Talon is due to arrive in May...can't wait! I am considering the 2020 XX if the Cat can get it fiqured out by then but after all the issues i had with my 2018 XX i am a skeptic fo sure dogg.
Lets see...Talon.
24K OTD (for the decent one)
$800 for 30's (or 32's)
$1200 for a gear swap
$800 for springs (depending on the valving...maybe another $800)
$1200 for a real cage
$200 for lower doors
Thats 28.2 K and you might be able to keep up with my 20k XX over the 2 ft whoops.
Looks like a nice start though.
24K OTD (for the decent one)
$800 for 30's (or 32's)
$1200 for a gear swap
$800 for springs (depending on the valving...maybe another $800)
$1200 for a real cage
$200 for lower doors
Thats 28.2 K and you might be able to keep up with my 20k XX over the 2 ft whoops.
Looks like a nice start though.
Great point, now can you give me the cost break down to get an X3 to be safely driven without the fear of getting crushed with the paper thin frame or having to beef up the front end before even taking it out on a ride? Im serious lol. Heck I might as well ask what it will take for the XX to be upgraded before its safe to take out.
I think the Tracker deal pretty much guarantees the XX will be in production. It might be called an XTR1000, but they will get built.
The Talon may pull 30's or 32's...but how is it going to react? I am sure Honda has put a lot of effort into making the gearing, motor, tune all work together...and the trac control.
Easy to say it will "pull" them...in every situation?
It definitely needs at least 29's.
Easy to say it will "pull" them...in every situation?
It definitely needs at least 29's.
I am not knocking the Talon though. Very nice start. Hell I may end up with one some day when it's time to slow down...LOL.
I don't disagree on the springs at all- they do NEED them if you are an aggressive dez rider.
I will be ordering mine soon. Just want to get a little more life out of them before they hit the scrap heap.
I will be ordering mine soon. Just want to get a little more life out of them before they hit the scrap heap.
Yea I will let you know which machine is superior very soon as I had a xx and now will have the Talon and will give my opinion on both machines after i have had enough seat time in the Talon R
This does not sound good! Actually sounds stupid! Who is running Textron/Arctic Cat?
- [h=3]robbygordon[/h]@dezertfein I have Turbos on our XXR Cars and have been told for 2 years Turbos are coming and then January they told me the market doesn’t justify Turbos or 4 seaters What do you guys think?
Got some disappointing news. I was told due to Arctic Cat restructuring and new board. They will be halting all new model releases until they can get a handle on the business platform and get the old inventory moved. They don’t want to take huge loses again. They project this could take a year.
So no XX4 for the 2020 model line up.
No turbo XX for the 2020 model line up.
No 72 inch XX for the 2020 model line up. (Did not know that was even a possibility!)
Good news is the XX is Arctic Cats #1 selling machine, and the new deal with Bass Pro & Tracker is a huge win and shows future stability for Arctic Cat. Their not going away, just going to take some time to right the ship.
Also the XX4’s that SpeedSXS will be making will be a Speed custom piece only available through Speed. So if you want any of the models above you will be able to get a custom version from SpeedSXS until Arctic Cat decides to green light and turn on production. Best thing to do is keep calling Arctic Cat and demanding these models. Let them know there is a market wanting them.
So no XX4 for the 2020 model line up.
No turbo XX for the 2020 model line up.
No 72 inch XX for the 2020 model line up. (Did not know that was even a possibility!)
Good news is the XX is Arctic Cats #1 selling machine, and the new deal with Bass Pro & Tracker is a huge win and shows future stability for Arctic Cat. Their not going away, just going to take some time to right the ship.
Also the XX4’s that SpeedSXS will be making will be a Speed custom piece only available through Speed. So if you want any of the models above you will be able to get a custom version from SpeedSXS until Arctic Cat decides to green light and turn on production. Best thing to do is keep calling Arctic Cat and demanding these models. Let them know there is a market wanting them.
JBL, just get that $6500 kit on a 1000XTR or whatever its called. I will trailer down to Glamis when it suits us both and you pick the testing area and we will see how big of an X3 killer that is. If you win, dinner and beers on me. How does that sound?
Textron must have polled the XX owners on the wildcat forum on if there is a needed market for a turbo. No, we don't need no stinkin turbski! LOL
I don't need no stinkin turbo...one of the reasons why I bought this car- best NA out there.
Ask Wayne Matlock about the time his wife won the Baja 500 in a stock motor NA Polaris...inc beating his turbo car.
It's all about suspension and handling...
Ask Wayne Matlock about the time his wife won the Baja 500 in a stock motor NA Polaris...inc beating his turbo car.
It's all about suspension and handling...
She is faster than most in Baja. Nope you don't need a turbo for the dirt, but they are sure a lot more fun when they have one.
Pretty soon the Glamis-ers will want 700hp and 35" paddles to make it up Olds...oh wait... (right colors too)
http://cdn.new 2021 wildcat XXXX.jpg
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We don't need Sandrails. Honestly the current turbo offerings are more than enough in stock form. Look no further than the carnage pictures after every holiday weekend. LOL! Joe Fab is laughing all the way to the bank since the turbo models hit the market.
If Textron doesn't come out with anything new, no one else will buy one, cause the people that will, already have, there will be no more. Maybe a few that need to latest year model, trade in the 2018 XX for the 2019 XX.
https://www.augustachronicle.com/news/20190406/new-ceo-focuses-on-textrons-off-road-segment
At Textron Specialized Vehicles, all the parts for a compelling powersports business are on the table. Someone just needs to piece them all together.
That someone is Scott Ernest.
The recently appointed president and CEO of Textron Inc.’s Augusta-based small-vehicle operation has been tasked with making an off-road powerhouse out of a business better known for its E-Z-Go line of golf cars and Jacobsen turf-care equipment.
So far, he’s made a splash. In January, the company announced a deal to distribute a line of private-label ATV and “side-by-side” utility vehicles through Bass Pro Shops’ dealership network. The “Tracker” branded all-terrain products will be produced at the division’s Jacobsen campus, the former Procter & Gamble detergent plant at Mike Padgett Highway and Marvin Griffin Road.
Ernest, who previously headed Textron’s larger aviation division in Wichita, Kan., said a test track is being built at the facility to put the new off-road vehicles through their paces.
“It’s 180 acres over there, so we have plenty of room to build these off-road test tracks,” Ernest said. “We’re pretty excited about that.”
The Providence, R.I.-based conglomerate appointed Ernest to head Textron Specialized Vehicles in October to replace Kevin Holleran, who led the division for 11 years and oversaw the 2017 acquisition of Minnesota-based Arctic Cat – a merger intended to make Textron a major player in a growing powersports industry, which is dominated by companies such as Polaris, Can-Am and Kawasaki.
Difficulties integrating the struggling ATV and snowmobile manufacturer led to declining revenue for the unit throughout 2017 and 2018, leading the multi-industry Fortune 500 company to call in Ernest, who successfully merged Hawker Beechcraft into its aircraft business while overseeing development of the Citation Longitude jet and the Cessna Denali turboprop projects.
Textron’s $6 billion, 13,000-employee aviation business is roughly 10 times the size of its Augusta-based vehicle division. Ernest, who spent 29 years with General Electric before joining Textron in 2011, said he believes he brings a new perspective to the local operation.
“I have a fresh set of eyes,” he said. “I have the abilities to help develop the team to think differently and allow them to get out of their set ways, how they’ve always done things. I think it’s healthy to move people around and get some different experiences.”
The most high-profile change has been the deal Textron inked with Bass Pro Shops, in which Textron will begin building a line of ATVs and side-by-sides under the outdoor retailer’s in-house “Tracker” brand this spring. The vehicles would be sold through the 180 Bass Pro and Cabela’s stores as well as its network of 570 White River Marine Group-affiliated dealerships.
Textron Specialized Vehicles dipped its toes into the off-road market in the late 2000s by launching its ST 4X4 model. It expanded its all-terrain portfolio by acquiring Bad Boy off-road vehicles in 2010 and launching its Stampede product line in 2016. It sought to strengthen its position by acquiring Minnesota-based Arctic Cat a year later.
The Bass Pro-Tracker deal, whose kickoff party featured celebrities including star quarterback Peyton Manning, country music singer Luke Bryan, bull-riding legend “Cool Hand” Luke Snyder and pro angler Jimmy Houston, is expected to boost Textron’s gravitas and exposure in the outdoor industry.
Bass Pro “does a phenomenal job in the outdoor arena,” said Ernest, an avid fisherman. “They touch not just thousands, but hundreds of millions of people. Basically, they have the sales and distribution responsibilities and we have the engineering and manufacturing responsibilities. We’re pretty excited about that channel and being able to work together.”
The all-American deal is backed up by an all-American pledge by Textron; the Tracker all-terrain vehicles being built in Augusta were previously Arctic Cat-brand products manufactured in Asia. Arctic Cat will produce some of the Tracker product line at its Minnesota plant.
Ernest said moving production stateside is as profitable as it is patriotic. For one, the ATVs and side-by-side market in Asia is virtually nonexistent. Foreign plants also respond slower to production fluctuations and customer-recommended changes. Also, local plants have better quality-control measures.
“The workforce here (in Augusta), you give them the challenge and they jump right on it,” Ernest said. “I mean, we’ve got people with a great attitude and energy around here trying to be as competitive as possible. And you don’t have to wait on a boat coming from halfway around the world to get your product here ... I’m a strong believer in trying to control your destiny.”
Adding three new Tracker lines at the former P&G plant represents a $5 million investment that will create up to 75 permanent jobs, Ernest said. Some of those employees will likely be graduates of Textron’s Reaching Potential through Manufacturing, or “RPM,” school-to-work program, in which potential dropouts are given the opportunity to work toward their diploma while earning money and on-the-job experience from Textron.
The 100-employee RPM facility supplies parts and sub-assemblies for the 300-employee Jacobsen/Tracker plant at the corner of Marvin Griffin Road as well as the company’s 1,300-employee Marvin Griffin Road operation, which for decades has produced the division’s most widely recognized product: E-Z-Go golf cars and personal transportation vehicles, or “PTVs.”
And how’s the golf business?
Stable, Ernest says, adding that market share between E-Z-Go and its competitors – namely crosstown rival Club Car and Newnan, Ga.-based Yamaha Golf – is fairly static.
However, Ernest said Textron’s golf segment is up 20 percent so far this year, largely on the strength of the company’s ELiTE line of lithium-powered electric cars.
“Our new lithium product has really taken off well,” he said. “I would say we are definitely the leader in technology when it comes to lithium electrical power. We’re taking that technology and really trying to push it back into other products, whether it’s our ground-support equipment or some of our turf applications. I’m not saying we’re going to get into Teslas or anything, but we are looking for some other opportunities.”
The company’s biggest growth opportunity is in the powersports market, where Textron accounts for just 15,000 of the 450,000 units sold industry-wide each year.
“It’s a huge market,” Ernest said. “I think with this new distribution network, it should allow us to compete a little more effectively. We’re looking forward to it.”
At Textron Specialized Vehicles, all the parts for a compelling powersports business are on the table. Someone just needs to piece them all together.
That someone is Scott Ernest.
The recently appointed president and CEO of Textron Inc.’s Augusta-based small-vehicle operation has been tasked with making an off-road powerhouse out of a business better known for its E-Z-Go line of golf cars and Jacobsen turf-care equipment.
So far, he’s made a splash. In January, the company announced a deal to distribute a line of private-label ATV and “side-by-side” utility vehicles through Bass Pro Shops’ dealership network. The “Tracker” branded all-terrain products will be produced at the division’s Jacobsen campus, the former Procter & Gamble detergent plant at Mike Padgett Highway and Marvin Griffin Road.
Ernest, who previously headed Textron’s larger aviation division in Wichita, Kan., said a test track is being built at the facility to put the new off-road vehicles through their paces.
“It’s 180 acres over there, so we have plenty of room to build these off-road test tracks,” Ernest said. “We’re pretty excited about that.”
The Providence, R.I.-based conglomerate appointed Ernest to head Textron Specialized Vehicles in October to replace Kevin Holleran, who led the division for 11 years and oversaw the 2017 acquisition of Minnesota-based Arctic Cat – a merger intended to make Textron a major player in a growing powersports industry, which is dominated by companies such as Polaris, Can-Am and Kawasaki.
Difficulties integrating the struggling ATV and snowmobile manufacturer led to declining revenue for the unit throughout 2017 and 2018, leading the multi-industry Fortune 500 company to call in Ernest, who successfully merged Hawker Beechcraft into its aircraft business while overseeing development of the Citation Longitude jet and the Cessna Denali turboprop projects.
Textron’s $6 billion, 13,000-employee aviation business is roughly 10 times the size of its Augusta-based vehicle division. Ernest, who spent 29 years with General Electric before joining Textron in 2011, said he believes he brings a new perspective to the local operation.
“I have a fresh set of eyes,” he said. “I have the abilities to help develop the team to think differently and allow them to get out of their set ways, how they’ve always done things. I think it’s healthy to move people around and get some different experiences.”
The most high-profile change has been the deal Textron inked with Bass Pro Shops, in which Textron will begin building a line of ATVs and side-by-sides under the outdoor retailer’s in-house “Tracker” brand this spring. The vehicles would be sold through the 180 Bass Pro and Cabela’s stores as well as its network of 570 White River Marine Group-affiliated dealerships.
Textron Specialized Vehicles dipped its toes into the off-road market in the late 2000s by launching its ST 4X4 model. It expanded its all-terrain portfolio by acquiring Bad Boy off-road vehicles in 2010 and launching its Stampede product line in 2016. It sought to strengthen its position by acquiring Minnesota-based Arctic Cat a year later.
The Bass Pro-Tracker deal, whose kickoff party featured celebrities including star quarterback Peyton Manning, country music singer Luke Bryan, bull-riding legend “Cool Hand” Luke Snyder and pro angler Jimmy Houston, is expected to boost Textron’s gravitas and exposure in the outdoor industry.
Bass Pro “does a phenomenal job in the outdoor arena,” said Ernest, an avid fisherman. “They touch not just thousands, but hundreds of millions of people. Basically, they have the sales and distribution responsibilities and we have the engineering and manufacturing responsibilities. We’re pretty excited about that channel and being able to work together.”
The all-American deal is backed up by an all-American pledge by Textron; the Tracker all-terrain vehicles being built in Augusta were previously Arctic Cat-brand products manufactured in Asia. Arctic Cat will produce some of the Tracker product line at its Minnesota plant.
Ernest said moving production stateside is as profitable as it is patriotic. For one, the ATVs and side-by-side market in Asia is virtually nonexistent. Foreign plants also respond slower to production fluctuations and customer-recommended changes. Also, local plants have better quality-control measures.
“The workforce here (in Augusta), you give them the challenge and they jump right on it,” Ernest said. “I mean, we’ve got people with a great attitude and energy around here trying to be as competitive as possible. And you don’t have to wait on a boat coming from halfway around the world to get your product here ... I’m a strong believer in trying to control your destiny.”
Adding three new Tracker lines at the former P&G plant represents a $5 million investment that will create up to 75 permanent jobs, Ernest said. Some of those employees will likely be graduates of Textron’s Reaching Potential through Manufacturing, or “RPM,” school-to-work program, in which potential dropouts are given the opportunity to work toward their diploma while earning money and on-the-job experience from Textron.
The 100-employee RPM facility supplies parts and sub-assemblies for the 300-employee Jacobsen/Tracker plant at the corner of Marvin Griffin Road as well as the company’s 1,300-employee Marvin Griffin Road operation, which for decades has produced the division’s most widely recognized product: E-Z-Go golf cars and personal transportation vehicles, or “PTVs.”
And how’s the golf business?
Stable, Ernest says, adding that market share between E-Z-Go and its competitors – namely crosstown rival Club Car and Newnan, Ga.-based Yamaha Golf – is fairly static.
However, Ernest said Textron’s golf segment is up 20 percent so far this year, largely on the strength of the company’s ELiTE line of lithium-powered electric cars.
“Our new lithium product has really taken off well,” he said. “I would say we are definitely the leader in technology when it comes to lithium electrical power. We’re taking that technology and really trying to push it back into other products, whether it’s our ground-support equipment or some of our turf applications. I’m not saying we’re going to get into Teslas or anything, but we are looking for some other opportunities.”
The company’s biggest growth opportunity is in the powersports market, where Textron accounts for just 15,000 of the 450,000 units sold industry-wide each year.
“It’s a huge market,” Ernest said. “I think with this new distribution network, it should allow us to compete a little more effectively. We’re looking forward to it.”
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